Henry Louis Gates Jr. cries racism; Amanda just cried.Thursday, July 23, 2009 at 12:27 pm — admin
Today we asked a friend of ours to guest post. As I listened to the dust up over Henry Louis Gates Jr.,--or Skip to the President--whose handcuffing the president called “stupid” and proves “that race remains a factor in this society,”….well, I immediately thought of my friend and her ordeal about 2 years ago. She too was cuffed and ultimately hauled to criminal court. Her story shows that Gates was actually treated with kid gloves by comparison. I turn you over to her. A fine spring morning in the Northeast corridor, me getting on a train to go to a doctor’s appointment in the city. (I live in a middle-class suburb, drive a German luxury car, and have the look and polish of a middle-class woman who makes ~$60,000 per year as an RN consultant to the drug industry. I am petite, dirty blond hair, green eyes; I look the opposite of Skip Gates.) About two weeks prior to this day’s train ride, I was riding the same train home from the city. I was tired and the train was sparsely populated. I was reading a newspaper and had not noticed the train ticket taker come upon me. Rather than ask for my ticket the ticket taker, in a most icky way, ran his ticked punch over my leg in a sort of slow s-curve fashion. I jolted up, newspaper tumbling. Shocked, I handed him my ticket. I sat there after he moved on, growing enraged. When he passed by again, I said loudly: “Don’t ever Touch ME again.” This unleashed his fury. He denied his stomach-churning maneuver and threatened to throw me off the train. I asked another male ticket taker to give me the offenders badge number, but was rebuffed, with mirth, I might add. Fast forward to that fine spring morning two weeks later, as I made my way into town to see my doctor. I had no more than stepped onto the train when the ticket taker—the buddy of the guy I’d lodged a complaint against—started to harass me. He hovered over me screaming for my ticket. I had not even taken my seat yet, and was on my cell phone, answering a call from MD office wanting to confirm my appt. I hung up and dialed the train headquarters. I got a customer rep on the line, and said I was being harassed. The rep heard all that was going on. I asked to be left alone by the harassing ticket taker and asked a black female ticket taker to stamp my ticket. She refused. She also refused to talk with the train's customer rep, who had suggested I put him on the phone with her. Before you can say hennypenny, I was up against a cement piling being handcuffed, my purse and magazine scattered on the platform. Next thing I was hauled into the train station and put in a small cage cell. I was in tears, and in a bit of shock. The police rifled through my handbag to get ID and my home address and my diver’s license. I was in cuffs for about 35 minutes and repeatedly asked for tissue to wipe away my tears. An officer put a paper towel in my behind-me cuffed hands. I was left to have a runny nose down my face for 30 minutes. About 8 cops crowed in to see the show. Giggles and burritos were consumed by the male cops. Finally I was asked what had happened. In cuffs and caged, I explained that I had never tried to skip payment, and that I had filed a complaint against the ticket taker just 2 weeks prior. I was released. BUT …I was still charged with “failure to pay.” I went to the train headquarters and showed the customer rep the deep scratchs around my wrists that turned into deep purple bruises later. I won’t go into the 3 trips I had to make down to the Criminal Courthouse. I did not have the extra money to pay for an attorney, so a young black court attorney told me to just plead guilty and pay the fine. I stood there ready to do so and then a more experienced attorney who happened to be in the room, stepped in and said “wait a minute” after hearing my story. The judged refused to drop the charges but some thing was worked out that if I did not get into trouble with the law for one year the whole case against me would be sealed. What is my point? While there are legitimate racial complaints, Skip Gates does not have one. Skip Gates refused to show ID and was not cuffed or cited for that. I, little miss white girl, refused to show ID and I was cuffed and cited. I tried to fight a sexist attack on my person and I learned that it is more trouble that it is worth. I too wanted an apology. Gates got his. The Mayor of his city is tripping left and right to say wow, our bad. Hearing the president declaim that Skip’s incident shows that “race remains a factor in this society,” is just plain wrong. If race was a factor, then it worked to his advantage as far as I can tell. Skip Gates only does damage to any racial justice issues that yet remain when he cries like a baby to the president of the United States and the press over his treatment. Amanda No last Name. http://www.nypost.com/seven/07212009/news/nationalnews/charges_dropped_a... http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/07/22/harvard.gates.interview/index.html |
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I am late to the table on
I am late to the table on this but here is a link everyone should read!
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0709/25592.html
where indeed is Lucy's beer?
Powell is on CNN taking this
Powell is on CNN taking this opportunity to talk about when he felt dissed because of his race. He gives an example of when someone at an airport did not believe him when he said he was the national security advisor to the president. He felt this was because he was
"just a black guy at Reagan National Airport," Powell said. "And it was only when I went to the counter and said, 'Is my guest here waiting for me?' that someone said, 'Oh, you're Gen. Powell.' It was inconceivable to him that a black guy could be the national security adviser."
The thing about this tale by Powell is that it seems with him as with Skippergate that Everything in the theater in their mind is about race. Gates could not believe he was not being racially profiled, and it looks like neither could Powell. Just because someone doesn't immediately recognize who you are and how important you are, that does not equal racial profiling.
But they have succeeded in getting the press to do not stop coverage about how tough it is for Powell and Gates. Once upon a time I would have been happy to have a conversation about race, but now that I see that blacks have zero interest in a national conversation on sexism--a far worse problem in the United States--and I nave no appetite for this self-indulgence about Gates big mouth and Powell's over-inflated ego: Both suffer from : "Don't you know how important I am" syndrome. This is not a racial profile this is what comes with power--a need for everyone to recognize your inflated worth.
These guys want us to have a national conversation on racism but they would never ever ask for a national conversation on sexism. Powell, in fact used sexism to cover his need to vote for Obama when he was a Rebublican.
Sexism if far more problematic in this country and these guys know it but they won't admit it.
1. sexism and racism are not
1. sexism and racism are not in competition. neither will cease to exist if the other persists. they are interdependent, not just intersectional.
2. white people, while they are the purveyors of racism, do not get to define the experience of racism for people of color.
"white people, while they are
"white people, while they are the purveyors of racism"
Actaully, you have just disproved yourself with a racist statement of your own.
As to your contention that sexism is interdependent with racism, that is silly. If I call a male the n word that is racist all by its lonesome. I won't try to sell you some fairy tale that to call a black man the n word is sexist. It is not. Get a clue.
I would only tell you that if I thought black men would buy it and then denounce sexism with equal vigour to racism. Black men will do no such thing. Women on the other hand are culturally raised to put their needs behind other's needs, so they have been gullible to this shrewd trick.
I agree with cas12. This inter-dependent and intersectional nonsense is just a means to keep women from focusing on sexism. Save it for the more gullible. I am not one of them.
Ugh. What an awful story.
Ugh. What an awful story. Truly vile. Sexism is far more virulent in our country, never mind the rest of the world, than racism, and yet ignored and accepted. I am outraged and very sorry for this girl's experience.
Your story is horrific,
Your story is horrific, Amanda. It's terrible that it all happened.
However, it doesn't DISPROVE racism in the Gates incident.
I listened to some interesting discussion on the Today Show this weekend. One man made this point: racism and racial profiling are a serious problem in the nation, but so is police aggression.
The Gates incident, in my opinion, displays definitely an aggression problem, and so does your case.
From black writer and Obama
From black writer and Obama enthusiast, Stanley Crouch, writing on the Daily Beast:
"what happened to an influential black academic one afternoon in Cambridge on the steps of his home, where he was arrested for belligerence, no more, no less."
Stanley Crouch's culture pieces have appeared in Harper's, The New York Times, Vogue, Downbeat, The New Yorker, and more. He has served as artistic consultant for jazz programming at Lincoln Center since 1987, and is a founder Jazz at Lincoln Center. In June 2006 his first major collection of jazz criticism, Considering Genius: Jazz Writings, was published. He is presently completing a book about the Barack Obama presidential campaign.
Hi there mixy- I liked this
Hi there mixy-
I liked this on the DB by Wendy Murphy.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-07-26/gates-overreac...
This woman cuts to the chase in what is almost a soundbite! Can she run on 2012 for president? I'm not kidding, her resume is something else! I want to know more about this woman.
@yttik I'm sorry Gates was
@yttik
I'm sorry Gates was arrested, but this country doesn't seem to show the same outrage when women are subjected to much worse treatment. The Tacoma police chief shot his wife in the head, a cop was just arrested in Alaska for sexual assault, a 13 yr old girl was repeatedly kicked and punched in Seattle. Gates ego was bruised and the whole country rallies around in sympathy. Even the president made a statement.
Yes!!!!
in NYC 2 cops "helped" a drunk young woman home and then returned to rape her!
and this is what happens to non-elite 72 year old white women who mouth off:
http://www.infowars.com/texas-cop-tasers-72-year-old-great-grandmother/
The problem with what ppl on this thread are calling SkipperGate is that there is no there, there in terms of race-- Just the normal cop/ citizen tensions that occur when citizens yell at cops or refuse to show ID to cops investigating a burgle, as we say.
This woman went looking for a
This woman went looking for a fight the day she was arrested. I applaud the black female ticket taker for not giving into your demand that she not the offending male, stamp your ticket. The author sought to humiliate and emasculate the male ticket taker, what's with calling train headquarters right away? she got what she deserved.
Dear Nojojo So now you
Dear Nojojo
So now you disbelive Gates himself?
What part of --he refused to show his ID-- do you NOT understand?
Gates Admiits that he refused to show ID and in his refusal accused the cops of racism. Amanda refused and she was not coddled into showing ID that way Gates was. Gates ****finally**** showed his ID.
Gates threw a temper tantrum and called good cops racists. That ONLY HURTS those who are ACTULLY hurt by racial profiling.
This is not a race btw sex and gender, It is an EXCELLENT example of how bad apples like Gates get all the attention when regular folks like Amanda or those who DO get harassed by cops on account of race are left to flap in the wind. Gates is needs to SHUT up. He is only going to make it harder for true victims to gain any sympathy!
Gates is now an idiot in my eyes and has lost any credibility on any issue as far as I'm concerned.
Um. Professor Gates did show
Um. Professor Gates did show ID. Sounds like you haven't bothered to read his account of the incident -- or maybe you just dismissed it as irrelevant. (Yet you expect people to believe your account of your own incident, don't you?)
And y'know what? The whole "sexism trumps racism" element in your post completely destroyed any sympathy I might've had for you. You got sexually harassed, I get that. I'm sorry to hear it, and that train conductor should've been arrested for assault. But black people -- men in particular -- get racially harassed too... and they frequently die in the process, unlike women who get sexually harassed. Saying "While there are legitimate racial complaints, Skip Gates does not have one" shows that you have no understanding of how racism or sexism in this country really works. Look up "intersectionality" or "kyriarchy" sometime. Then please stop making it easier for men like the one who harassed you to stay in power.
But black people -- men in
But black people -- men in particular -- get racially harassed too... and they frequently die in the process, unlike women who get sexually harassed.
ur friggn' kidding me? sexual harrassment of women is deadly on a daily, hourly basis.
have u looked at rape stats. you are full of crap. i am sick and tired of gender issues taking the big back seat to loud mouth racist non-issues like SkipperGate as someone called it.
where is the national conversation on the Liberian girl in the West who was raped and rejected by her father.
Nojojo you are on a feminist site and that means women's issue come above a bawling black liberal professor who harrassed cops trying to help keep his home safe.
FemiSex, xoxoxox to you gals! Keep the drumbeat on women!
Speaking of Tricks-- the
Speaking of Tricks-- the greatest Foul trick every played on women--
the idea that before we focus on sexism we must first address racism.
Nojojo has got her self all dressed up with her fancy word: "intersectionality."
Let me translate that word for Nojojo:
"intersectionality: a means to subjugate the converstion on gender, a means to advance racial issues over gender issues.
Example:
Hillary Clinton is a white bitch in the new york times, but to focus feminist attention on this can not occur until every single person on the face of the earth renounces the word nigger. Under the notion of inter-bullshitality, one can not point out the new york times did not call Obama the n word but felt free to call HRC the b word in their paper. Nojo would have you believe that talking about the vast difference in tolerance to sexism vs. racism makes it easier for the new york time to call HRC the b word. Laughable indeed!
What has been the result of convincing young dumb so-called feminists that race must come before gender as an issue to eradicate:
The fact that not one mainstream media publication called Obama a nigger but from CNN to MSNBC to The New York Times we are FREE to call then Senator Clinton a white bitch.
Al Sharpton is not out stomping and yelling about sexism. He never will be. Talk to the hand No jojo. I am a young women who is happy to say we can focus on sexism all by its lonesome--sexism aimed at all women of all colors and stripes. Dont' feed me the crap that before we deal with sexism we must equally deal with poverty, racism and all the ills of the poor. Only someone determined to Thwart progress on sexism puts forth such an agenda-- or those who feel talk of sexism takes the spotlight off talk of racism.
I want the focus to be on SEXISM!!!!! If nothing else was proven in the last year and a half it was thi:
-tolerance for sexism is far greater than tolerance for racism.
Finally you say that
Amanda's story makes it " easier for men like the one who harassed you to stay in power. "
Let's see if I get this straight? To point out that cops bully all races when they refuse to show ID makes it easier for a lewd guy to harm women. That is just plain stupid.
@ nojo.blah blah Save your
@ nojo.blah blah
Save your breath for Mary Mitchell who also has, according to you:
" no understanding of how racism or sexism in this country really works."
Mary Mitchell of the Sun Times aka black comumnist
http://www.suntimes.com/news/mitchell/1684524,CST-NWS-mitch26.article
Her words:
"I'm sorry. Gates isn't the face of racial profiling.
The real faces of racial profiling are the black women who were once stripped at the nation's airports simply because they were black.
The real faces are the black and Latino motorists who are still being stopped and searched by police officers simply because they are people of color.
The real faces are the young black men, who (as Gates correctly points out) are "vulnerable" because too many other young black men are committing criminal acts in urban and predominantly black communities.
To call Gates' arrest an example of racial profiling obscures this issue and drives us even further apart."
thanks Day Tripper for
thanks Day Tripper for sending us this link!
Ms. Mitchell is 100% correct, in my view. SkipperGate, as we can now call it, only hurts the cause of those who do suffer from racism.
Amanda does not wish to reply to any comments, so this is our take not hers.
Mr. Skippy refused to show
Mr. Skippy refused to show his ID. He was abusive to the cops during the time frame in which he refused to show his ID.
Best thing I've read on this came from a comment to a Salon story:
Another horrific rape,
Another horrific rape, another day. That's life.
http://www.azcentral.com/community/phoenix/articles/2009/07/23/20090723a...
Not important enough to have a "national discussion" about...
tnx, Alison for the heads up!
tnx, Alison for the heads up! It has been busy today and I missed this.
Shame is blood red on this story.
Just posted on it.
This video is very good.
This video is very good.
http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-303137?iref=topnews
Excellent points are made! The only problem i see is that the woman in the video has made her own rush to judgement--partially.
She worries the neighbor who called in the break in racially profiled Gates and his driver, but I have no information or proof of this, nor does she, one assumes.
Did the person calling this in know who lived in the house? I have a pet sitter who drops by and I would want her to call the cops if she saw 2 people forcing their way into a neighbor's home. Better safe than sorry.
As a matter of fact, our neighborhood just had a breakin and robbery. And we've all alerted one another to be on the lookout for unusual activity. The elderly neighbor down the street has her son and daughter in law down for a week while she has surgery. If they noted this activity and did not know the who lived where, I would hope they would call police.
Our neighborhood is primarily Jewish, I am not. Our neighborhood has about the same percentage of blacks as the nation's population as a whole. We all get along like pees in a pod. We watch out for each other and if I see anything I don't like, I call it in.
If we are warned off calling the police when a break in may be in progress for fear of being called a racist, then guess what: Criminals win. Is that what we want here?
a Bloomberg reports says "A
a Bloomberg reports says
"A woman walking by Gates’s house near Harvard in Cambridge, Massachusetts, at midday last week saw two men pushing in the front door and called 911. Police Sergeant James Crowley arrived and through the front door glass saw a man inside. "
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=washingtonstory&sid=aironavG9UMY
This seems to indicate it was not a neighbor at all but a passerby who took the time to "say some when she saw something"as all New Yorkers are now exhorted to do post 9/11.
GOOD FOR HER!
I liked many of the points the CNN i reporter makes, but she made me cringe when she implied that calling in a potential robbery is racist or racial profiling.
This is NOT Helpful to movement further along the post-racial continuum. And Femisex, you are right. The only win here is for criminals. A shame.
Shocked, I handed him my
Shocked, I handed him my ticket. I sat there after he moved on, growing enraged. When he passed by again, I said loudly: “Don’t ever Touch ME again.”
It took a lot of courage for Amanda to say this. I can see myself sitting there fuming. I have fumed about sexist work remarks so many times late into the night, but I never say boo.
I applaud Amanda for speaking up even if she was severly punished for doing so. She is brave. Boy maybe next time I am subjected to sexism I will call Obama up and cry about it.
Yeah the cops shoulda left after he showed them his ID, but it is pretty clear to me Gates kept at them until he pushed them too far. Gates WANTED to get arrested. No doubt in my mind. Amanda did not, no doubt in my mind. There is THE BIG difference.
Ouch. I suppose that creep
Ouch. I suppose that creep is still working taking tickets and whatever else he can get.
The Gates story is overkill. Gates called the cop names and the cop got mad and used his authority, perhaps unwisely. But I don't see racism at play here. As you point out white women, young and old get tazared and cuffed for refusing to show ID.
The boy who cried wolf was a story my mother told me when I was growing up and it would be wise if Gates and Obama pondered that story. I see no reason to believe this was race related.
Some one on Politico
Some one on Politico mentioned this article. It is my first time here but you have articulated the angst I've felt reading about Gates faux racism charges.
If my son is racially profiled (we are Indian-second generation) I feel like I can thank Gates for making it more difficult for him to be taken seriously. Amanda you have my heart.
thank you , thank you, thank
thank you , thank you, thank you for this post! What is worse?? Having your boobs grabed by a drunk coworker or being asked for your ID when there is a report of a bust in and you are seen busting in?
The indignities of being a women never end, but for women
complain and you get laughed at.
If I complained about the boob grope sp?, I loose my job. I work at small construction company in the midwest.
They pay me well, but I'm expected to think like the boys. I do, but this Gates story just pisses me off. When women have to put up with So much worse every freekn' day. Where are the TV crews for me?
Yes, I was wondering how you
Yes, I was wondering how you would respond to this. From the evidence thus far, this does not appear to be a case of racial profiling although I strongly believe that police in this country do profile racially.
What bothers me is the reflexiveness - the lack of thought - in this country when it comes to anything in regard to race. It's hysteria. White people feel so righteous declaring "racist" at every turn of the corner. Even without knowing all the facts. Rather, we should be self-reflective enough as a country to know that racism exists and consider the possibility in various circumstances. But there is no reason to be up in arms over this Gates story at this moment.
Yttik has it right. Why aren't the stories of women being sexually assaulted by cops making the news? Why aren't articles of such events being Facebooked by my well-educated and very liberal facebook friends? Why do they ingore the articles that I link to that highlight abuse against women? How is it that no one cares to say "shame!" in regard to what happened to Amanda? I'm disgusted.
The bar for women to make
The bar for women to make news when abused is much higher and usually requires video tape. Recall the bully cop in Chicago who punched a women who, as I recall, refused him service in a bar. That we saw because there was irrefutable proof.
For women to get a media attention of the sort Gates has received requires a video of the cop physically hurting her. Recently a 70 year old white female was tazered by cops for refusing to show her ID. If she'd merely been cuffed there would be no story. She mouthed off and was tazed and then cuffed. There was video.
I agree with Amanda that Gates reax does more to hurt those who actually do suffer a racial incident. Gates seems like Rev. Wright to me--holding on to his past hurts at the expense of moving forward.
Amanda refused to let you all in on a particular aspect of this case that would literally sicken you. We respect her wish, but you should know this story is even worse than it sounds. Also: Amand filed a complaint against the cops with a Reveiw Board. This came to naught. The officer was not taken to task nor was an apology issued.
Of couse we dislike racism when it exists. Duh. But we'd like the media to dislike sexism HALF as much.
Thank you for this story!
Thank you for this story! I've been trying to put into words what has been annoying me so much about the Gates case. I guess it's all the invisible women who have suffered much worse at the hands of the police. I'm sorry Gates was arrested, but this country doesn't seem to show the same outrage when women are subjected to much worse treatment. The Tacoma police chief shot his wife in the head, a cop was just arrested in Alaska for sexual assault, a 13 yr old girl was repeatedly kicked and punched in Seattle. Gates ego was bruised and the whole country rallies around in sympathy. Even the president made a statement.
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